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    A Few Minutes More
    July 31, 2008
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    By David A.M. Wilensky
    Yesterday a post by Rabbi Joel R. Schwartzman appeared on this blog titled "Ten More Minutes of Torah." It was a response to Lewis M. Barth's recent Ten Minutes of Torah for Masei, in which Barth argued that the current Haftarah cycle of three haftarot of destruction followed by seven haftarot of consolation suggest that Reform Judaism should reassess its relationship with Tishah B'Av. Rabbi Schwartzman's post expressed strong discomfort with this idea.

    Rabbi Schwartzman's first argument is typical of Reform Jews who are uncomfortable with even talking about the Temple in a Reform context. He tells us that, "Given the importance of the Temple in the Conservative and Orthodox movements, whether spiritually or practically, we Reformists would do well to consider exactly what we would be tying onto ourselves were we to adopt Tishah B'Av observances."

    "Would this, then, also entail re-instating the tri-fold division of our people into Kohanim, Levi'im and Yisraelim (Priests, Levites and Israelites), as we mourn the loss of the Temples and the sacrificial system it embodied?" asks Rabbi Schwartzman. Once again, certainly not. He is simply laying out a slippery slope for you.

    Let me present an argument similar to Rabbi Schwartzman's: "Does mourning the loss of the immense and rich culture of European Jewry that existed before the Shoah mean that we desire to return to a ghettoized, isolationist shtetl lifestyle?" Obviously that's not what is meant when we mourn the loss of that culture. We accept that a Jewish way of life, full of culture, came to an end and we mourn its loss.

    At the same time, we are able to see our current way of life for the acceptable and rich way of life that it is. It is the same for the loss of the Temple. Do we want to build the Third Temple and return to a sacrificial system of worship? No, but we mourn the loss of our ancestors' way of life.

    Rabbi Schwartzman notes, "There is merit in our knowing the history of the calamities which befell our people on this date in the Jewish calendar." Holidays certainly serve an instructional purpose. The stories of Purim, Chanukah, and Pesach are well known to any Jew who attended just a couple of years of religious school at their childhood synagogue. Could they tell you word one about the destruction of the Temples? I doubt it. If, however, Tishah B'Av were on our Reform radar screens more prominently, we would all learn the story.

    Indeed, according to a post today at Jewschool by blogger Aryeh Cohen, Rambam himself would agree that the purpose of Tishah B'Av is instructional. "The point of these fasts, according to Maimonides, is not their historical referent, but rather that their historical referent should cause us to reflect upon the reasons that brought us to catastrophe.

    Tisha B'av (the ninth day of Av) is a fast which memorializes the breakdown of the polity, and forces us to confront the radical possibility that an ethical or just polity is itself impossible. For this reason the customs of the day, such as not greeting one another and sitting alone and not engaging in business or even in Torah study--all these are performances of the dissolution of society," says Cohen.

    In the final paragraph of his post, Rabbi Schwartzman unintentionally points out a larger issue that is of great concern to me. "We often run the risk as Reform Jews of living as though we are observing our religion through the practices of our co-religionists," he says. God forbid we should do things similarly to our more conservative co-religionists, he seems to suggest! Sometimes we become so wrapped up in hesitant Reform dogma, that we miss out on a beautiful practice, such as reading the poetry of Eichah (Lamentations)!

    Come Tishah B'Av you'll be able to find this blogger fasting and reading Eichah, and somehow finding it possible not to re-establish the priestly class.

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    Jenny said:

    Perhaps there is a middle ground between where you and Rabbi Scwartzman stand. I understand why he states "we often run the risk as Reform Jews of living as though we are observing our religion through the practices of our co-religionists." We shouldn't follow an observance just because the more "traditional" Jews do it. As Reform Jews it is our responsibility to take an approach toward our observances in a more mindful way than merely following for the sake of following.

    Within our own communities it would probably be a good conversation to have on whether or not we do find any meaning in Tisha B'Av. If we do, then it might be time to develop a different way to observe, to set apart the observances that mark a mourning for the destruction of the Temple and waiting for the messiah from our more modern sensibilities.

    Mark Tasch said:

    True Reform ideology, as expressed in the original Pittsburgh Platform, was not hesitant at all. It was confident, forthright, and proud of its differentiation from Jewish Orthodoxy. The counter-reformation of recent years is, I suppose, welcomed by the majority of the most active and committed Reform Jews, but it has left me alienated and vacillating between aggravation and apathy.

    Anonymous Coward said:

    "Do we want to build the Third Temple and return to a sacrificial system of worship?"
    Absolutely not. We want HaShem to rebuild it for us.

    Karen said:

    Reform Jews are quick to complain when other Jews don't treat them like "real Jews" or "authentic Jews." If Reform Jews make up their own calendar that only applies to themselves they might as well be asked, "What do you expect?" The calendar is a central organizing force in Judaism. Reformers who make up their own calendar are sending a signal to the rest of Jewry that says, "we're not like you. We exist outside the boundary of your Judaism."

    BZ said:

    Who's making up a new calendar? Everyone agrees that Tisha B'Av is still the day between the 8th and the 10th, regardless of how the day is observed.

    Mark Tasch said:

    Yes, in its original (and, in my view, authentic) form, Reform Judaism did announce its intention to exist beyond the boundaries of Jewish Orthodoxy. Otherwise, why should Reform Judaism exist? I agree that Reform Jews should not take offense when criticized by more observant Jews. Instead, Reform Judaism should be sufficiently confident in its distinct beliefs and practices to be wholly unconcerned with Orthodox and Conservative critique. I would add that I highly respect the other Jewish denominations for being true to their distinct principles. Reform simply has no reason to shrink from its own.

    BZ said:

    True Reform ideology, as expressed in the original Pittsburgh Platform, was not hesitant at all. It was confident, forthright, and proud of its differentiation from Jewish Orthodoxy.

    I agree with all of this except the last phrase. The authors of the Pittsburgh Platform weren't thinking about differentiation from other denominations; they saw their form of Judaism as *the* future of Judaism. While I differ from some of the specific conclusions of the Pittsburgh Platform, I admire its confidence, and find that confidence missing from contemporary expressions of Reform Judaism (such as Rabbi Schwartzman's) that define themselves (whether positively or negatively) in relation to Orthodox Judaism.

    M. B. said:

    Karen: The Orthodox do not condemn us just because we updated the calendar (including our going back to the Biblical standard for the number of days for a holiday). Orthodox in Israel condemn even modern Orthodox Jews in America and other lands and refuse to accept marriage and conversions done by them. Anyone who will not tolerate anyone who does not accept all their pronouncements and submit to their control. They threaten a rabbi who had the temerity to debate or publicly discuss the differences in our beliefs with a Reform Rabbi, and made him stop.

    The Pittsburgh Platform is an eloquent statement of what the Jewish Reformation is all about. It applies an enlightened American approach to Judaism in the first country where Jews were free from control by orthodox traditionalists, Christian or Muslim clergy, and hostile government. Americans could not be excommunicated, severely beaten or thrown in prison for saying the kind of things that are said daily in this Reform blog.

    With the Pittsburgh Platform, the Reform approach of understanding ceremonies and ritual as valuable only when they further the purpose of motivating Jews to live a moral life in accordance with the Biblical ideals as expressed by the prophets. Other traditional ritual was useless, counterproductive or in many cases actually harmful and had to be jettisoned for sake of the Jews and for the sake of the Jewish religion in the modern world.

    While the Reformers sought to reasonably evaluate practices, many traditionalists feared education of Jews beyond the ancient Jewish texts themselves. Our ancestors prided themselves on both their Jewish and secular learning, valuing the work of Jews and non-Jews alike. The Orthodox went so far as to argue that adding university study (maybe even high school study) in science, theology, history, archeology, etc. disqualified a Jew from becoming a rabbi! Knowing too much is dangerous to orthodoxy.

    As for Tishe B'Av and mourning the destruction of the sacrificial system and the dispersion of Jews to the U.S., Canada, Australia, Europe, etc., I don't know why we would want to make it a Reform Jewish holiday. David Einhorn's American Reform liturgy said: "Not like an outcast son did Your firstborn go forth into the strange world, but as Your messenger for all the families of the earth." The day of sorrow has become for us a day of gladness to reflect on the blessings of being in this great land.

    BZ said:

    I agree that Reform Jews should not take offense when criticized by more observant Jews. Instead, Reform Judaism should be sufficiently confident in its distinct beliefs and practices to be wholly unconcerned with Orthodox and Conservative critique.

    Likewise, Reform Judaism should be sufficiently confident in its distinct beliefs and practices not to refer to other denominations as "more observant".

    David A.M. Wilensky said:

    @ Jenny: I'm not suggesting that we do something just becauseother Jews do. I'm suggesting that we not refrain from doing something just because other Jews do it. I totally agree with you that we should be having this conversation in all of our disparate Reform communities. Hopefully blog dicussions like this across the Jblogosphere will trigger those discussions.

    @ Mark Tasch's first comment: What I mean when I say hesitant is that we are hesitant to explore conservative ideas. I don't mean that conservative ideas necessarily need to be adopted, but if we are all about personal exploration and autonomous decisions, then we do ourselves a disservice when we ignore "Orthodox" practices.

    @ Karen: Your money quote is "The calendar is a central organizing force in Judaism." On the nose there, Karen. The ideas that there is a "Reform calendar," which Rabbi Schwartzman suggests when he says that he says we should not add Tishah B'Av to the Reform calendar is absurd. There is a Jewish calendar. We may certainly make decisions about the calendar (for instance, I only observe one day of holidays that have two days in galut and I've never fasted on account of being a first born), but that does not mean that those holidays we personally choose to ignore are no longer on our collective calendar!

    @ BZ: Haha! Well said.

    @ Mark Tasch's second comment: We make certainly exist beyond the purview of any Orthodox Rabbi's jurisdiction, but we're still Jews and they're still Jews. We don't seek to be a new thing, such as Christians eventually did. Instead, we seek to be new, equally legitimate type of Jew, just as Orthodoxy is a legitimate way of being Jewish.

    @ BZ's second comment: Again, well said.

    Elayna Fremes said:

    I must say that I am happy that this debate is taking place. After discovering that Tisha B'Av even existed at all as a camper about 10 years, I soon realized that the Reform Movement as a whole, outside of the URJ camping world was very uncomfortable with Tisha B'Av. And this became difficult because through my learning about and engagement with the commemoration (encapsulating a very familiar catchphrase, choice through knowledge), I decided that Tisha B'Av was important to me. I have chosen to take one day out of my year to mourn past tragedies of my people. And yes, this includes the destructions of both Temples.

    Every year I find myself in the same defensive place. Yes, I commemorate Tisha B'Av, yes I fast, and no, I am not praying for the rebuilding of the Temple. As a Reform Jew in particular, I see the value in change and adaptation, and the adaptation made by the Pharisees in the aftermath of the destruction of the Temple was really quite phenomenal! And I am happy to celebrate it! But this is not a zero sum game, the destruction of the Temple was still an extremely traumatic period in the lives of the Jewish people of the time. And that is what Tisha B'Av is about for me, as well as taking the time to remember and commemorate other tragedies like the Spanish Inquisition and Kristallnacht.

    But its a challenge. Because there are very few if not no options for observing Tisha B'Av in a Reform setting (outside of camp) and my theological views of the day are different from other denominational communities. So that leaves me commemerating a NATIONAL, COMMUNAL day on my own, something I find rather ironic.

    Just a few thoughts...

    Jesse Paikin said:

    For me, this entire discussion is interstingly part of two larger, ongoing debates. The first is between classical reform ideology and... well I'm not certain what to call it... ealier in this post's discussions, it was referred to "counter-reformation." Can we call it neo-reform? New reform? I don't think it's divorced from "mainstream" Reform ideology, so I'm hesitant to label and isolate it as something separate.

    The second debate is the more intriguing one in my eyes. It is the debate between adopting versus rejecting religious practices which are deemed illogical. In the eyes of most Reform Jews, it is illogical to pray for the restoration of the Beit Hamikdash. For some, it is thus illogical to observe Tisha b'Av.

    I wonder how many of those Jews also cover their Challah on Shabbat when blessing the wine. Isn't this also an illogical practice? Do people believe that mana actually fell from the sky and was blanketed with dew? (Which is where we derive the practice of using a challah cover)

    I don't believe that supposedly irrational or illogical practices necessarily reduce their worth. As I've been teaching my students (campers) a lot this summer, Judaism isn't exactly entirely rational or logical. But there's plenty that we do that is full of merit that is seemingly illogical.

    Recognizing the centrality of an ancient institution that we no longer wish to be a part of might seem illogical to some. But as Jews, we interact with history on a daily basis, no matter how irrational that may be. What do we do with the Beit Hamikdash and Tisha b'Av? Do we expunge them from our history, or find a way to include them in all their irrationality?

    I'm a fan of option B.

    Margot B said:

    There seem to be two threads on this topic, in different places. Not realizing that, I posted this on the other one a couple of days ago, but there is more discussion here, so I'd like to join in here with my thoughts, if that is OK.

    This is an interesting discussion, and I'd like to share my perspective as an active congregant in a Reform synagogue that has been observing Tisha b'Av for a number of years. We never saw it as even remotely being about wanting to bring back the rituals of the Temple. Rather, we see it as one stop along the way of an annual cycle that gives us ongoing opportunities for spiritual development. Our rabbi quoted Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch in the observation that "the catechism of the Jew is his (sic) calendar." Tisha b'Av is the low point -- the point of raw suffering and hitting bottom -- that we need to encounter before the climb up to the High Holy Days. I think that acknowledging suffering and sitting with it is something we need to learn to do, if we are to be able to respond effectively to suffering in our own communities and around the world. The three weeks before Tisha b'Av get us ready for the stark moment. Listening to the haunting and beautiful cantillation of Eicha (the Book of Lamentations) helps us to rise up from the despair recounted in the text. After this, the seven weeks with the Haftarot of Consolation leading up to Rosh HaShanah really make sense: we really get what it means to start doing the work of teshuvah.

    I was intrigued by Rabbi Barth's suggestions as to how we might look at Tisha b'Av and I think it fits and enhances the approach we have taken.

    Our actual observance has consisted of a study session on the themes of the holy day and an Erev Tisha b'Av service. We thought that because the observance is unfamiliar to Reform Jews, it was important to include some study, but because study of Torah is considered a joyful activity and thus specifically prohibited for Tisha b'Av, we confined the study to learning specifically about the day itself. One year we invited a refugee from Darfur to address us in place of the study session, and we connected the contemporary suffering in Darfur to that of our people in the destruction of Jerusalem that Tisha b'Av commemorates.

    We hold the service partly by candlelight in a space where there are low risers that people can sit on; there are chairs for people who can't do this. Our cantor (alas, she has moved on since then) and I collaborated to produce both a service just for this and a selection from Eicha. The service includes some readings selected for Tisha b'Av. The Eicha booklet has a selection of 5-6 verses from each chapter and has an introduction explaining a little about the book, the translation we used, and why and how we made the selection we did. I have both the service and the Eicha readings electronically (as Davkawriter 6 files, but they can be converted to pdfs) and would be willing to share them with anyone who might be interested in exploring using them. Contact me at mrbdc[at]net1plus[dot]com.

    M. B. said:

    Margot:

    Rabbi Samson Hirsch was a well known Orthodox German Rabbi of the early 1800's. He was willing to make small accommodations to the modern world (and was condemned by the ultra-Orthodox), but Hirsch remained solidly Modern Orthodox in his theology.

    Jesse:

    The terms I usually hear to describe the two branches of Reform Judaism are Progressive Reform, Classic Reform or Prophetic Judaism on the one hand and Neo-Orthodox or Counter-Reform Judaism on the other.

    BZ said:

    The terms I usually hear to describe the two branches of Reform Judaism are Progressive Reform, Classic Reform or Prophetic Judaism on the one hand and Neo-Orthodox or Counter-Reform Judaism on the other.

    Does anyone describe *themselves* by the latter set of labels, or is this only a pejorative way to refer to other people?

    BZ said:

    And please explain to me in what language "progressive" means "striving to keep things the way they've been" It seems to me that that's the textbook definition of small-c "conservative".

    M. B. said:

    BZ
    The progressive element of Reform undertook a major reevaluation of Jewish practices and precepts from a reasoned analysis. The orthodox traditionalists would not allow a critical analysis of the any of the Bible or Talmud or other practices. For them, everything was revealed by God and could not be either altered or questioned. In fact the question of why something was done was irrelevant and not to be asked. Also, the orthodox would not allow secular knowledge because they thought it dangerous to blind obedience. The reformers who would consider tradition and try to conserve customs and Talmud, but not give then a binding effect became the Conservatives. Thus Conservatives allowed driving cars on the Sabbath so people could get to services. Progressive Reform saw cars as not needing a day of rest like horses or camels and entirely did away with the traditional (not biblical) law against driving. Orthodox kept form marriage contracts (not biblical) where only a man could divorce, Conservatives modified the form contract (katuba) and Reform did away with them and made marriage and divorce equal.

    The progressive reformers decided to change the focus to ethics applicable to everyday living and adapt Judaism to the modern world where life was drastically different.

    For progressive Jews, keeping women behind a screen where even their eyes must not be visible, or shaving the head of married women and having them wear wigs and go to community baths after their periods was outmoded and no longer in keeping with their post Enlightenment concept of Judaism. Progressive women were part of the reformation and both they and the men believed in in including them as full participants. Progressive Jews, like most Jews, disliked the services in a foreign language that most couldn't understand and instituted services in our own language so that everyone could participate. They eliminated prayers for restoration of the sacrificial cult and physical resurrection of the dead. They eliminated terribly long, repetitious services. They brought modern music into services, including western hymns and musical instruments instead of the old chanting. They added decorum in services which had previously had people speed mumbling different prayers at the same time, coming and going at will, and talking business in services. Progressive Jews condemned superstition. They approved modern dress where Jews could look like non-Jews. And progressive Reform Jews democratized Judaism, eliminating the iron grip of the chief rabbis and professional clerics, substituting the doctrine of the priesthood of the believer, that is, each Jewish adult is be free to read the Bible in his or her own language and interpret its provisions freely in light of all knowledge, religious and secular.

    David A.M. Wilensky said:

    More on my Tisha B'Av experiences.

    @ BZ: "Does anyone describe *themselves* by the latter set of labels, or is this only a pejorative way to refer to other people?"

    Pejorative. None of us are Orthoanything, neo, post or any other prefixes included. I would actually use the term Progressive for us because I see us as having more in common with the worldwide Progressive movement at times than we do with the American Reform movement.

    David A.M. Wilensky said:

    Home for the summer with nothing to do, so I'll do this @M.B.:

    "The orthodox traditionalists would not allow a critical analysis of the any of the Bible or Talmud or other practices. For them, everything was revealed by God and could not be either altered or questioned. In fact the question of why something was done was irrelevant and not to be asked."
    Unfortunately, this is patently incorrect, a vast generalization. The essence of traditional exegesis is to ask why questions. When an Orthodox Jews sees "Tzedek tzedek tirdof," they a the same question any liberal Jew would. Why did God (or the author of some other identity) put the work justice twice?

    "Also, the orthodox would not allow secular knowledge because they thought it dangerous to blind obedience."
    Wrong. Have you heard of Torah im Derech Eretz? Modern Orthodoxy? Yeshiva University?

    "The reformers who would consider tradition and try to conserve customs and Talmud, but not give then a binding effect became the Conservatives."
    Wrong. No matter how Conservative Jews actually behave, they are bound by the laws, excepting those few that are exempted to them by USCJ halachic standards committees.

    "Progressive Reform saw cars as not needing a day of rest like horses or camels and entirely did away with the traditional (not biblical) law against driving."
    This displays a total misunderstanding of why cars are outlawed in Shabat for traditional Jews. It has nothing to do with giving your trusty steed a rest. It is about the fear that the spark that goes off when the car is started is equivalent to kindling a light.

    "Orthodox kept form marriage contracts (not biblical) where only a man could divorce, Conservatives modified the form contract (katuba) and Reform did away with them and made marriage and divorce equal."
    Wrong. Reform Jews often use ketubot and an Orthodox woman does certainly have a right to demand a divorce. Certaintly the right is more restricted than that of a man's right to divorce, but it exists nonetheless.

    "They added decorum in services which had previously had people speed mumbling different prayers at the same time, coming and going at will, and talking business in services."
    Decorum. I hear this one a lot. It usually comes from a place of assuming that decorum is essential to a meaningful prayer service. I prefer less decorum.

    BZ said:

    (Continuing on David's response.)

    M.B. writes:
    The orthodox traditionalists would not allow a critical analysis of the any of the Bible or Talmud or other practices. For them, everything was revealed by God and could not be either altered or questioned. In fact the question of why something was done was irrelevant and not to be asked. Also, the orthodox would not allow secular knowledge because they thought it dangerous to blind obedience.

    Your post was in response to a question about your delineation of "two branches of Reform Judaism". So is this also your characterization of the "branch of Reform Judaism" that you don't consider "Progressive"?

    Progressive Reform saw cars as not needing a day of rest like horses or camels and entirely did away with the traditional (not biblical) law against driving.

    At the time of the Reform-Orthodox split, cars didn't exist. Thus, in driving on Shabbat, the Reform movement wasn't "doing away with" anything -- it was just choosing a different path from Orthodoxy (which forbade driving on Shabbat when cars were invented).

    For progressive Jews, keeping women behind a screen where even their eyes must not be visible, or shaving the head of married women and having them wear wigs and go to community baths after their periods was outmoded and no longer in keeping with their post Enlightenment concept of Judaism.

    Do you believe that the other "branch of Reform Judaism" is in favor of "keeping women behind a screen", etc.?

    Progressive women were part of the reformation and both they and the men believed in in including them as full participants.

    That's a nice revisionist history, but if Reform Judaism was completely egalitarian from the beginning, how come it took almost 100 years for HUC to ordain women as rabbis? Perhaps they didn't in fact think of everything in the 19th century, and Reform Judaism needs to continue adapting with evolving circumstances and values.

    And progressive Reform Jews democratized Judaism, eliminating the iron grip of the chief rabbis and professional clerics, substituting the doctrine of the priesthood of the believer, that is, each Jewish adult is be free to read the Bible in his or her own language and interpret its provisions freely in light of all knowledge, religious and secular.

    How well do you think this worked out? In which community today do more non-professional Jewish adults have sufficient knowledge to interpret Jewish texts without relying on rabbis -- the average Classical Reform congregation or the average Orthodox congregations?

    Finally, all of your references to "progressive" Reform Judaism are in the past tense. Do you think that all necessary reforms have already taken place? Has anything happened since 1885 that should cause us to reevaluate our practices? If the answer is that we should keep things as they were in 1885 regardless of any changes in the world, then I'll ask again: what is "progressive" about this?

    Orthodox Baltimore said:

    Even though I am Orthodox I have trouble connecting emotionally with the Temple service. However I have no trouble connecting with the destruction that came with Tish Abav. The Roman Conquest of Israel resulted in the death of 2 million Jews and the expulsion of another million. You may have trouble mourning for a Temple, but you should have no trouble mourning that ancient Holocaust and all the tragedies that have befallen us since, including the current isolation of Israel and the capture of Gilad Shalit.

    Have an easy and meaningful fast.
    Jason jmg613@gmail.com

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