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    How dcc Got the "cc" - A Family History in Motion
    December 11, 2008
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    by dcc (and az)
    First some background: Once upon a time, in a magical land known as Newton, Massachusetts a boy named Andy Cutler fell in love with a "feminist in law school" named Olivia Cohen.  After years of courtship and these two high school sweethearts tied the knot at Temple Ohabei Shalom in June of 1977.  Like in all fairy tales, the two lived happily ever after in a wonder-world of pluralism and progress as Andy and Olivia Cohen-Cutler.  These two tradition bashing creating newlyweds went on to bring Donnie and his very smart and funny sister Sally into the world with this new family title. Thus the Cohen-Cutler family was created.

    Jump to present day.

    As you may remember from other posts, I am about to get married to a very lovely woman. We met at URJ Greene Family Camp. We both worked for the Reform Movement. We both are very liberal politically, socially and religiously.  But when it comes to figuring out what to do with our last name we are having difficulty dealing with the progress from the previous generation. So in this post we are asking the Reform Jewish community for help. We have spoken to our families, to our rabbis and now we are opening the appeal to the Reform Movement at large. 

    First here is Abby's story, in her own words:

    January 14, 1973 - In the equally magical Des Moines, Iowa, Jane Sandler and David Zemel got married. As one of three girls, Jane thought it prudent to pass on her maiden name to her first daughter and so, ten years later, I, Abby Sandler Zemel was born. Five years later, my little sister joined the family and while legally her middle name is not Sandler, she adopted it as her own badge of family pride.

    December 31, 2007 - Donnie proposes and I say yes.  As soon we start to tell people we're asked, "What are you going to do about your last name?" Then my sister lovingly suggested I should take all four available last names, making my name Abby Sandler Zemel Cohen Cutler and thus ruling out any hopes I may have for monogrammed towels later in life.

    Jump to present day.

    In addition to planning a wedding, melding two families, and living the rest of my non-wedding related life, I have to toe the line between speaking my mind and offending my intended and his family as we try to figure out what to call ourselves. When I used to daydream and doodle the combination of my name with his, a hyphen was never part of the picture.

    We've talked this over many times and at one point, it looked like we had a solution. Donnie would simply drop the hyphen in his name, meaning he would have two separate but equal last names and could still be known as DCC. I would take Cutler (his Dad's family name) and future generations would be saved from this dilemma. That was a short-lived solution, however, as Donnie realized he was uncomfortable with that proposal. Solution #2 was to drop the hyphen and combine the two last names, resulting in one long last name (rough for ScanTron tests, but manageable) but that one got ruled out also.

    The most recent idea is to stick with tradition and for me to adopt Donnie's last name, as is, as my own. Here's the wrench in the plan - I don't like this solution. Our doorman already calls me Ms. Cohen because he thinks the hyphen is between Donnie and me, not his parents. If I'm going to have a hyphenated last name, I'd like at least one of those names to be my own.

    Or, dcc could stay dcc and I could stay Abby Sandler Zemel. But here's the scenario I keep playing over in my head: We have kids and, as tradition dictates, the kids take Donnie's last name. Donnie is at parent-teacher conferences and the teacher is telling him how well our son/daughter is doing in school, except that he/she talks too much (trust me, this will happen). I come in late (from my noble, well-paying and satisfying job) and introduce myself as Abby Zemel, except the teacher has no idea that the smart, but overly talkative child she's talking about is mine. It seems unfair that the paternal side is represented while my family name(s) are lost.Our parents are from the school of thought that we should arrive at tough decisions by ourselves so while they're great listeners they're not coughing up a whole lot of other solutions.

    So back to me:

    I have a deep connection and deep disdain for my hyphenated name. Throughout my entire life people have asked if my parents are divorced. Since I have been old enough to look bald, people seem to think I am already married.  However, my identity is as Donald Cohen-Cutler not Donald Cutler, Donald Cohen, Donald Cutler-Cohen (which happens all too often), Donald Cohencutler or any other combination there of. But then again, my identity has very limited history. 

    Any history of the Cutler family is kind of my history and any history of the Cohen family is kind of my history, but not really. There are no other Cohen-Cutler's in the world besides my mom, dad and sister. There are no great Cohen-Cutler rabbis, no great Cohen-Cutler philosophers from the old country, no Cohen-Cutler squares in some small corner of Eastern Europe and perhaps most morbidly, no Cohen-Cutlers died to be Jewish. These are the things that make identity stronger than just what a single person can create within his lifetime.

    But my name is Donald Cohen-Cutler and I would like to start creating the Cohen-Cutler history, preferably without having anyone die for this history, with my future wife. A co-worker of mine put it bluntly: within one generation the Cohen-Cutler name will be part of history.  I would like Abby to take my name and I want our children to have our name, yet I do understand her reservations. I don't want her to give up her identity to start building our own together.

    Help Us:

    So this is where you all come in: What do you think we should do? We both know there is a bunch of hyphenated Reform Jews out there reading this blog. Come on - if there was ever a group of people with more hyphenated last names we haven't found it! So what have you done, what do you think your kids should do if they get married, is there some great story out there that helped you figure out what to do? We want to know, so a leave comment and we will learn from you.

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    William Berkson said:

    Most important principle: you can't have everything you want, so get over it. By the way, that's the secret to a long and happy marriage :)

    I can assure you that Abby keeping her maiden name will cause no serious problem. Since according to this article one fifth of women keep their maiden names, schools are used to dealing with this.

    Here's an article on the question you are facing:
    http://www.slate.com/id/2097231/ .

    And here's what they do in Spanish speaking countries, where the double surname is standard:

    http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/surnames.htm

    The problem with that very rational Spanish solution is that I don't think people in the US know of or understand it, so it may cause confusion.

    I have my mother's maiden name--Koller--as a middle name, but not hyphenated. If you ask me, the hyphenation introduces too many complications.

    The best thing is whatever pleases you

    Here is a relatively simple solution:

    Donald drops the hyphen. Abby keeps her maiden name. The children all are Zemel Cutler, and they decide eventually if they want to use both names.

    But you don't like that right?

    The English like the hyphenated stuff, but then it gets passed down through the generations, with the wife' name not going further.

    You don't like that either, right?

    See top comment :)

    Ruth B said:

    Food for thought re: the question about moms having a different last name than their kids:

    In the southwestern state where I live, in 2006, for the first time since such statistics were being compiled, births to unmarried women outnumbered births to married women. Let me repeat: births to unmarried women outnumber births to married women.

    Add in divorce and remarriage, and factor in women like me who just didn't change their names because it's a complete and royal pain in the tuchus to do so when you have professional licenses and reputations established in our birth-certificate name, and what that means is for the kindergarten class of 2011, it will be a minority of children who have the same last names as both their parents.

    Full disclosure: Kept my name when I married. Annoys my mother-in-law, but it's not important to my husband. In my Norweigian heritage, women didn't change their names either--they remained "Sigrid Olsdatter" even when they married "Ole Tostenson", and the kids were all Ol-son or -datter.

    Probably doesn't help very much....

    David Levy said:

    I have friends who have each kept their original names but added a new last name that they chose together. Individually and professionally they sometimes go by their names-from-birth, sometimes by their new last names. But it does give them a single family name to use in the eventuality of children, or when anyone wants to refer to their family as a whole.

    Other friends of mine in college created new family names by fusing syllabus from their names together.

    Yet other friends of mine created a new family name sort of in the same way, but rather than choosing syllables from their original names, they chose syllables that sounded nice together that had origins in words related to their original names. (It's a pain in the neck for them to explain how they created it, but I suspect after the first year of marriage that became less important.)

    Finally, I have a couple of pairs of friends who each adopted their partner's original last name as their own middle name, giving their family a chiasmus of last names. None of them have kids yet, so I don't know what will happen then.

    Personally, I have no opinion, since I haven't had to cross this particular bridge yet in my own life. However, I strongly believe that a family history is perserved in people, stories, and shared memories, not only in names. I don't think my cousins who changed their names at marriage feel any less a part of the Levy family history than I do. And, although I don't carry the family name of my mother's family, or her mother's family, I consider myself a full and important part of the Schneiderman and Monsein family histories just as I do of the Levy family.

    But to end with a blessing, I hope this is the most stressful decision your marriage faces. :)

    M. B. said:

    There is no Reform answer to this question, so pick a name you like. This is nothing to get hung up about. Some of us, like the Jews from the Netherlands, England and France have had last names for hundreds of years. Other families from places in Central and Eastern Europe had no last names til the government forced them to pick one in the 19th century. Some names sounded good in whatever language they were using, e.g. German, but not so nice to French or English speakers when their families moved on later, requiring a change. A friend of mine has struggled spelling and pronouncing his name for people all his life. When his youngest son got out of high school, he made up his mind to pick an easier name so he wouldn't have to go through that all his life. Americans of many faiths changed their names on entering the United States to fit in better, so that they wouldn't have to keep spelling it or telling people how to pronounce it or to avoid prejudice. You may recall that the English royal house changed their last names en mass from Hanover to Windsor after World War I, as being from a German family was no longer cool in England. Movie stars, recording artists, and many others in public life have changed their names to be easier to remember or better fit the image they wanted to convey. Boxer George Foreman named all his sons George Forman so that they could benefit from the association. There were two Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr.s because one died in infancy.

    You are who you are and your relatives are who they are, regardless of name. It gets mighty cumbersome dragging everyone's name along with you all your life long. Whatever name you pick has to fit on your kid's soccer jersey in grade school, so don't get too elaborate in stacking names on top of one another until it becomes a joke to the other kids.

    William had some good advice about going along with your wife when you can. That really is a secret to a good marriage. As they say, "When Mama's happy, everybody's happy."

    William Berkson said:

    Hey, MB, it applies equally to the wife accommodating to the husband! I heard a Rabbi say at a wedding: "Marriage is not give and take, but give and give."

    Rabbi Paul Kipnes said:

    I love hearing about these hyphenation challenges. It gives me something chomer to use when counseling wedding couples. Plus, I'm one of dcc's biggest fans (of his folks too) so there is special pleasure in peering in on how they work this out.

    Cross posted at: http://rabbipaul.blogspot.com

    David A.M. Wilensky said:

    Though my parents were once married, my mom always remained McKinney and my dad always remained Wilensky. I got both, though not hyphenated. Hence, David Alexander McKinney Wilensky, hence the double middle initials.

    To me, it is an important identity issue. I like having the mixture of the goy name, to signify that I come from a convert as well as some fairly down-to-earth Tennessee folk, along with the obviously Jewish name.

    Of the three names you have to pick from here, pick the one(s) that you think will pass on an identity or a message that you want passed on to your kid.

    SCC said:

    I repeat my previous solution:
    Cohutemel.

    Barry said:

    I hate to be a scrooge on this --- particularly so close to Chanukah --- but it is obvious that at least some people "working in the Reform Movement" have a lot of time on their hands. It is nice to see a Rabbi chime in, but of course he doesn't tell us what the Reform view, or even the non-Reform Jewish view might be. (Could the ultimate resolution of the problems presented by Zelophehad's Daughters lead us somewhere on this? Uneducated laymen want to know!)

    The solution is obvious: Either

    (1) Sandler-Zemel should stay S-Z (and continue to line up at the back of the class, eschewing the opportunity to jump to the head of the class) and Cutler-Cohen should stay C-C, with the kids probably becoming C-Cs (up at the head of the class if for no other reason); or

    (2) They should do whatever they please, although S-Z-C-C is quite a mouthful, but if that's what they want why should anyone else care? (Well...maybe that might require the Reform Movement to reprogram their computers to allow for more space on "last name" field of various employment records. And don't be upset when the Christmas cards and wedding invitation scome in addressed "wrong". But that would be a small price to pay.)

    Andy Funk said:

    Don't know if this helps at all, as your situation is more complex, but this is what my ex-wife and I did with our names, and would have done with children had we been so blessed. We each kept our names as they were. Any daughters would have had her last name, possibly with my last name as their middle names (we hadn't fully decided); and sons would have my last name, possibly with her last name as middle names (again, that was a relatively minor issue we hadn't fully thought out).

    But as our last names were each just four letters, everything was a lot simpler...

    Barry said:

    From the Wikipedia entry on what appears to be the likely next Senator from New York:

    Although she is often incorrectly referred to as "Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg", she did not change her name when she married. . .

    So far so good....but what about the kids?

    Kennedy and her family live on Park Avenue in Manhattan. She and her husband have two daughters and one son: Rose Kennedy Schlossberg . . Tatiana Celia Kennedy Schlossberg, . . . and John "Jack" Bouvier Kennedy Schlossberg.

    So there it is! That's how to do it if you have a 300 plus acre estate on Martha's Vineyard or live on Park Avenue. No indication, by the way, that she has any problem when she shows up for a parent conference with the "Schlossberg kid".

    amy terkel said:

    Hey Abby and Donnie,
    I'm going to join the "do what you want" club.
    If you start your marriage doing what others want that's a good deed that will certainly not go unpunished.
    Personally, my maiden name is Paushter and I coulnd't wait to get rid of it. My husband's family is no relation to Studs Terkel but I tell people they are. I'm certain if he had ever met me he would have wanted me in his family.
    Can't wait to see you both in March.
    -AT

    Tracie Guy said:

    Hi Abby and Donnie,

    I'm actually facing a similar dilemma to yours (though admittedly with fewer names). My fiancee really wants us to have the same last name. I really want to keep my last name. We've compromised in that we're both going to hyphenate (as Donnie's parents did). When people ask what our children will do when they get married, I usually sort of say "that's up to them," but here you are facing it. I must say, I like the idea of following the Spanish hyphenation rules. Though they are neither specifically Jewish, nor specifically Reform, they provide some guidelines for you and others with hyphens (my future children...), and Cutler-Zemel has a nice ring, I think.

    When it really comes down to it, however, we all know that having the same surname is not what makes a family, whether the kids' teachers get it or not.

    Mazel tov on the impending nuptials.
    --TGD (nee TBG)

    BZ said:

    The Spanish system doesn't avoid the gender bias of the only-pass-on-the-father's-name system; it just delays it by a generation.

    Larry Kaufman said:

    Being of a generation where these issues did not arise, I segue to the somewhat analogous situation of congregational names when two temples merge.

    A frequent outcome is the joining of the names -- as in the southern suburbs of Chicago, when Bnai Yehudah merged with Beth Sholom and became Bnai Yehudah Beth Sholom, now generally shortened to BYBS.

    But another possibility is the choice of a new name -- in Louisville, I am told, Adath Israel merged with Brith Sholom, and became The Temple.

    When I recently worked with two congregations that were contemplating merger, each of whom had been through a previous merger, there was total acceptance of the idea that four traditions were too many to blend in a single name, and that the best way for a new entity to proceed would be with an all new name. When I suggested as one possibility that the new name might reflect the geography of the new congregation-to-be, there was an immediate consensus from both mishpachot that the new name had to be Hebrew. Other than geography, I suggested to my group, the new name might reflect shared values -- Emet, Tzedek, Shalom, etc. (BTW, the discussions lapsed, and the name became moot.)

    (Suburban Temple in Cleveland, after fifty years with that name, ten years ago added Kol Ami to its identity, reflecting the trend to Hebrew names at congregations that had not had them or let them lapse.)

    One advantage that Abby and Donnie seem to have is that there are fewer voices chiming in than would be the case in a synagogue maerger, so the decision can be made more calmly and hopefully less emotionally. But the two suggestions I take from what goes on among synagogues are to consider starting fresh, and saying it in Hebrew.

    Elana Centor said:

    You may think I never changed my name but for two years I was Elana Centor Freed legally --but I never used it. I was Elana Centor on TV and never ever called myself Freed. Finally, changed it back legally.

    It was many years later that I had children. Both have Centor as their Middle Name. I have no problems with them having Jonathan's last name. It is not an issue that my name is different.

    I know in some families the boys have the dad's last name and the girl's the moms. It's just a name

    Good luck with this.

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