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    Godwin's Law, Halbanat Panim and Health Care
    August 21, 2009
    Ethics | Social Action (6 comments)

    by William Berkson

    Godwin's Law is a rule of internet conversations, which says that the longer a discussion thread continues, the higher the probability that someone will mention Hitler or Nazis. A popular variation is that the first person to invoke Hitler or Nazis is considered to have lost the debate.

    There is a lot of truth in both these variations. There is something about the conditions of the internet that unleashes the furies in many who post in forums. Fortunately, this name-calling is generally of little consequence.

    However, this dreadful practice has migrated more and more to the television and face to face political events. The more personal and public the name-calling becomes, the more dangerous it is. In Pirkei Avot it is written that a person who shames another in public will "have no place in the world to come." The Hebrew phrase for public shaming is halbanat panim, which means literally "whitening the face" of the other person, causing the other person to blanche. And the sages said that as blood drains from the face of the person insulted, that halbanat panim is so grave a sin as being equivalent to bloodshed, because it often leads to bloodshed.

    In fact, the extreme right wing in Israel portrayed Prime Minister Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform, and showed him in cross hairs of a gun sight, before he was in fact assassinated. Because of the gravity of these insults, I am extremely disappointed that more leaders who are critical of Obama's Health Care initiative are not vocally condemning the rampant comparing of Obama and Hitler. Such comparisons are incitement to violence and need to be condemned in the strongest terms. Republican leaders need to be telling their followers, and hot heads in the media like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh to stop this incitement, and urge their followers to be respectful of the President, even when they disagree with the policies he advocates.

    Rabbi Saperstein of the RAC did call on O'Reilly to stop his crying "Nazi", and the Anti-defamation League has condemned Limbaugh for this practice. But it really is going to take Republican leaders to stop this, as, to his credit, McCain did during his campaign. Unfortunately, too many elected leaders are silent on this. Can the RAC join with Christian organization to condemn this? Something more needs to be done to publically label this practice as shameful and outside the realm of proper democratic discourse.

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    Larry Kaufman said:

    Per your comment -- Republican leaders need to be telling their followers, and hot heads in the media like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh to stop this incitement, and urge their followers to be respectful of the President, even when they disagree with the policies he advocates.

    We were reminded during the election campaign of the need to keep this blog apolitical, and therefore I am trying to exercise care and caution as I suggest that whatever Republican leaders OUGHT to be telling their followers, the Lee Atwaters and Karl Roves and Sarah Whatsernames of this world are inciters of disrespect and of Big Lie tactics.

    What the political parties and the media need is a "derech eretz squad" to keep discourse civil and truthful. There was a time when demagoguery was called by its name, and when it tended to be practiced by blue collar racist politians, and to be frowned on by the gentlemen (in the bst sense of that word) who used to dominate Republican politics and who maintained decency whether in authority or in opposition.

    Is it my advanced age that leads me to yearn for "the good old days" or has there really been a total erosion of the concept of decency in our politics?

    William Berkson said:

    I agree with you about the need for a squad. I think the news media need a "demagoguery watch" like the fact checking that goes on.

    Demagoguery is unfortunately very often effective, and it is one of the biggest enemies of democratic process. Deceit combined with an appeal to fear or anger is the hallmark of demagoguery, so it shouldn't be that hard to identify when it really goes over the line.

    Mark Z said:

    Let's not forget that after the President's election Harry Stein wrote in Esquire that the voters who elected the new leader were like "the good Germans in Hitler's Germany" or the LA Times political cartoonist Paul Conrad's panel depicting the new President as plotting a putsch in a dank beer hall. Except...this actually happened when Ronald Reagan was elected. More recently, the left vilified the President with imagery and bumper stickers decrying "BushHitler" without condemnation by the Democratic party or it's leadership.

    Here is just a small sampling:

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612

    or how about this video from a CNN reporter:

    http://newsbusters.org/media/2006-01-13-CNNRoesgen.jpg

    My point being that labeling your opponent as fascist is an enterprise of the bipartisan fringe. I assume Mr. Berkson's positive intent in his post. However, simply condemning the behavior of a few wackos who oppose your position without a similar condemnation to those who engage in such demagoguery on the left could easy be construed as advocating a political point of view rather than an ethical position.

    (BTW, a quick Google search and failed to find any reference to either Mr. Berkson or the URJ condemning the imagery reference above. If I missed a link, the fault is all mine.)

    William Berkson said:

    Mark Z, I was not blogging in that period, and I certainly condemn comparisons of Reagan or George W. Bush to Hitler.

    I do think there is a difference between a fringe of hot heads, and leadership. I am worried that so many on the right are using inflammatory and dishonest language in talking about the health care debate, and so few--though there are some--who condemn this inflammatory language.

    I was at the Town Hall meeting last week with Rep. Moran and former Gov. Howard Dean, and there were a lot of right wingers screaming at the top of their lungs to drown out any rational discussion. I don't think anything like this has happened on the left since the Viet Nam war days. I oppose all efforts to drown out and replace rational debate, whatever side they come from. But right now, the screaming and inflammatory rhetoric is coming overwhelmingly from the right.

    I was in that room, and I saw and heard it.

    Mark Z said:

    Mr. Berkson,

    With respect to inflammatory language, I'm afraid you may being seeing only what you want to see. Witness Nancy Pelosi's characterization of protesters as "Nazis", Harry Reid taunting them as "Astroturf" and national media deriding them as "Teabaggers". If you don't think anything has happened like this on the left since VietNam, you obviously missed the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the buildup to the first Iraq War, and most recently Code Pink and the "Truthers".

    I certainly don't condone poor manners and I would welcome a broad national discussion about healthcare. That's precisely why allusion to "right wingers screaming at the top of their lungs to drown out any rational discussion" is ironic. The President & Congressional leadership wanted their version of reform passed before the August recess; in no small measure to PREVENT "rational discussion". My goodness, many (?most?) congressman have yet to read the the House and Senate proposals. Do the people have a right to be just a little bit angry when our elected officials attempt to 'reform' ~1/6th of our economy, not to mention fundamentally change the nature of the relationship between the citizen and the state without having a rational debate and citizen input?

    Hypothetically what would have been the left's reaction if a Republican president and Congress had tried to repeal Medicare in the same manner?

    Aryeh Lev said:

    Mark Z asks -- Hypothetically what would have been the left's reaction if a Republican president and Congress had tried to repeal Medicare in the same manner?

    Well, they did try to destroy Social Security, so the question is less than hypothetical. And maybe I missed seeing the media while that was going on, but I don't remember reading or hearing about any shouting matches. The proposal got buried on its merits.

    Like Dr. Berkson, I recently attended a "town hall" meeting hosted by my congressional representative -- but the antics of those who have been smoking grassley across the country backfired in this instance, as enough people who understand the need for action also understood the necessity to thwart the tactics of the programmed mobs by outnumbering them -- my guess is by three to one. Nonetheless, the hate and the anger and the distortions were palpable.

    We might also remember that the current demographics of the protesters differs from the anti-war protests in the Viet Nam era, in that the radicals of the sixties were from out of the mainstream -- whereas the let-them-eat-cakers of today have been mobilized by supposedly responsible leaders of what can no longer be called the loyal opposition, with their efforts likely subsidized by the threatened health insurance industry who fear they will no longer be the wealthy insurance industry. They may claim to love America -- it's just Americans that they don't care about.

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